To be fair, although Zhu Su said those words, he currently has no idea what kind of doctrine to replace "Neo-Confucianism" or how to brew his own "new wine" suitable for the new Ming Dynasty.
Even if he did, he would not dare to be frank and honest with Liu Bowen at this stage.
Liu Bowen was different from Naha Chu, Guantong, and even Yao Guangxiao. Even if he knew the history in advance, Zhu Su did not dare to say that he could see through this person.
I want to know that although Liu Bowen was in history, he never did anything to harm the Ming Dynasty or betray Lao Zhu. But after actually coming to the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Su discovered that he was wrong about that historical figure who should have been a model of a famous minister and a virtuous prime minister.
Otherwise, it is inevitable to remain cautious.
Although there was a saying in later generations that "Zhuge Liang divided the world and Liu Bowen unified the country", which promoted Liu Bowen to the highest echelon of famous ministers and prime ministers in the past, in fact, during the Hongwu period, Liu Bowen's status in the Ming court was not actually considered high.
high.
Liu Bowen had participated in the Yuanting Examination in the past years and was a Jinshi in the Yuan Dynasty. He once served as the Prime Minister of Gao'an County and the Marshal's Mansion of Jiangsu and Zhejiang. He was responsible for killing all rebels. He was considered loyal to the Yuan Dynasty.
Later, due to the corruption of the Yuan court, Liu Bowen resigned in anger and stayed at home. When Lao Zhu heard of his reputation, he sent people to invite him to come out. However, Liu Bowen was not optimistic about Lao Zhu at the beginning, and after several invitations, he reluctantly came out.
As the founding heroes of the Ming Dynasty, Li Shanchang, Xu Da and others were granted the title of Duke, but Liu Bowen was only granted the title of Bo. Because of several factors, after the founding of the Ming Dynasty, Liu Bowen knew that he was always feared by many Huaixi officials.
, acted cautiously, walked on thin ice, never said a word lightly, and did not have the glory and pride of other heroes who founded the country.
It is different from the "unifying the country" style among the people of later generations by many levels.
Moreover, that time, Lao Liu completely stepped on the key point of Lao Zhu's current goal: that is, he did not deny the old ministers of the Yuan Dynasty, and he did not deny the Confucian disciples. The most important thing he wanted was that he did not deny those who had committed suicide.
The leader of the Huaixi faction of civil servants led by Hu Weiyong and Li Shanchang was once publicly promoted by the surrendered ministers of the Yuan Dynasty named "Qingliu".
He had guessed that Lao Zhu had used Confucianism to attack. Could he have guessed the previous goal of the imperial court, and was he actually aiming at the surrender of the old Yuan Dynasty?
If he knew the details, would he inform the ministers of the Yuan Dynasty and even make suggestions?
Facing Liu Bowen like that, Zhu Su didn't dare to be careless. After thinking about it for a while, he decided to continue testing: "Sir, what you said is quite bluffing."
"I am still young, so how can I talk about reforming the literati in Tiandong? I have some doubts about the academic nature of Bu Nao. Let me just think about it and gain some insights."
"Don't you trust me anymore?" Liu Bowen did not argue with Zhu Su. On the contrary, he directly pointed out Zhu Su's concerns without any hesitation. Zhu Su couldn't help but be shocked. Liu Bowen sighed.
: "I served Bao Yuan in my early years and served him."
"For example, in the Ming Dynasty, Bidong asked to reorganize the old officials of the Yuan Dynasty, and the ministers were also among them. It is not unusual for the emperor of the palace to be wary of the ministers after being ordered by Bidong."
Sure enough he guessed it!
Zhu Su's heart was beating wildly. He had not even begun to attack Confucianism. Even Lao Zhu wanted to dig into the corners of Confucianism first so that he could cultivate a new type of literati who could be used, and then use the Yuan Dynasty in the court.
The old ministers of the court were dusted off.
It can be said that Liu Bowen had already guessed Lao Zhu's previous plan without even starting!
Zhu Su's eyes were cloudy and uncertain, and he didn't know how to treat it wrongly. After a moment, he gave up and slumped in his chair: "Sir, I guess you care, otherwise it will be a taboo for others. Are you afraid of the wrath of my father's thunder?"
"Lao Diandong is worried." Seeing that Zhu Su finally began to speak frankly, Liu Bowen was overjoyed and said, "Bidong is the heroic ruler of this world, so naturally he will not punish innocent people."
"Although the old minister is humble, he also knows that the customs of Tiandong have been declining for a long time. This is the time when China is undergoing a revolution and reform. If Your Majesty Dong does not do this, it will be very difficult for the emperor to do it."
"Therefore, the old minister is happy to see the outcome of this discussion between Your Majesty and the East of the Palace." Liu Bowen expressed his thoughts.
"I see." Zhu Su nodded. He said that Lao Zhu would not punish innocent people. That is absolutely false.
But after much thought, Zhu Su decided not to believe Liu Bowen. After all, Liu Bowen in history was incorruptible and self-reliant, and after all, he was different from most of the old Yuanting officials.
Moreover, actively participating in it may not be a wise and self-protective method that Liu Bowen thought of.
The most important thing to ask is that when Lao Zhu launched the Kongyin case and the Guo Huan case, history did not affect the Liu family.
"In this dark room, I will report every word my husband says to my father truthfully. That's okay, right?" Zhu Su asked tentatively.
"This is what should be done." Liu Bowen nodded. "I beg you to find a dark room in the east of the palace, so as to prevent my advice from spreading among the princes and scholars in the court. Shouldn't it be done directly?
Chen Yu Bidong."
"As for the written memorial, I am afraid that it will be leaked by others. If the master of the palace is willing to present it to me on behalf of the minister, it is best to do so."
Zhu Su nodded, what he said made sense. After all, what he wanted to talk about was poaching Confucianism and cutting off official power and financial resources. If the matter was leaked, even Lao Zhu would face great resistance, let alone Liu Bowen.
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Therefore, we can use the method of boiling a frog in warm water, starting from the Imperial College, and gradually adding sand among the literati, then paying the wrong officials, and finally promoting new-style literati who are in line with the interests of the Ming Dynasty to fill the gaps among the civil officials.
I don't think so, just because Fang Xiaoru expressed a different point of view, and then his "Fang Xiaoru's mentor" will be admitted to the Imperial College, Yang Xunwen and his like who are in the court would rather take risks to trap his in the limelight.
A meritorious prince, I also beg to prevent him from interfering in the Imperial Academy.
Not to mention what kind of uproar would be caused if they didn't know that the emperor wanted to poach Confucianism.
"In this case, I have made it clear to you, sir," Zhu Su said. "To be honest, I have little talent and little knowledge, and I am not capable of formulating a brand-new Confucian program from scratch that can withstand scrutiny."
"Diandong is too humble." Liu Bowen said solemnly. "Diandong's 'science' is exquisite and profound, and it fully describes the mysteries of Tiandong. Why should we sacrifice the near and seek the far?"
"The way of science is perfect, piece by piece. The application of its principles can be proved by examples in this world. Even if someone can speak like a lotus flower, there is no way to refute it."
"Sir, do you want me to promote science?" Zhu Su frowned.
"But is science practical?"
What Lao Zhu wanted was to control the minds of the literati and guide their pursuit from "ruling Tiandong with the emperor" to other places that were beneficial to the Ming Dynasty.
If you want to do that, you can't just use science to manage the world. You must have an ideological program to match it.