Shiba Yoshigan and Takeda Harunobu actually don't care about this matter. The samurai family pays attention to morality, but what really determines the outcome is strength.
Whoever has the bigger fist is right.
The biggest reason why the two sides negotiated a peace this time was that the battle at Kawanakajima was so brutal that neither family wanted to fight again.
The principle is just a formality. The key is the division of ownership of Beixin. How to ensure that the bottom line of both parties is not breached and a reliable agreement can be reached that will not be torn up at any time.
The two mentioned morality first, which was a face-saving project of the Wu family. No matter what the actual considerations of both parties were, on the stage they were both good martial artists who upheld morality and reason.
When negotiating with the Wu family, what they say is dirty means it is really dirty, and what they say is clean means it is spotless.
The higher you go, the more particular you are, and you talk about benevolence, justice, etiquette, wisdom, and trust. The lower you go, the more barbaric you get, and you talk about land and money.
This is the Wu family society with complete moral principles and etiquette, and the only way to overcome this stain is to go down.
Chrysanthemum and knife? Nonsense, they are obviously memorial arch and watch.
The two said a few useless preludes and quickly got to the point.
Shiba Yiyin thought deeply.
"His Majesty Takeda's words are wrong.
The Murakami family and the Ogasawara family are famous families in Shinano, and they have made great contributions to the shogunate and the world.
Nowadays, the world is in chaos, and many descendants of high-ranking families are in trouble. After you and I are both Genji in Kawachi, we should preserve some dignity for the nobles of high-ranking families.
You can’t treat His Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara badly, don’t you think that’s the truth?”
Shiba Yiyin's statement is also a traditional rule for protecting daimyo.
The Gao family and the Gewu family in the guardianship system all have origins, going back five hundred years, and almost all of them are relatives.
Which family does not have a few poor relatives, and which family can guarantee that it will not be ruined?
Give others some dignity today, and this dignity will be passed on to your descendants in the future.
This is useless when compared to a mercenary Warring States daimyo like Oda Nobunaga. The Oda family was a rebel group that conquered the upper class all the way.
Oda Nobunaga cut off all the direct descendants of the Oda family, leaving only his own branch.
She, who does her best in everything she does, will talk to you about the principles of leaving a way for future generations?
But Takeda Harunobu is different.
The Takeda family is the guardian of Kai Kingdom, and Kawachi Genji's bloodline ranks second in the guardianship system. Her family is actually the beneficiary of the system's blessings.
The previous head of the Takeda family, Takeda Nobutora, was able to unify Kai Country, leaving a mess for Takeda Harunobu. But after all, it was a unified Kai Country, and it was also the merit of the Takeda family's character.
Although Takeda Harunobu embarked on the path of expansion in the Warring States Period, he concentrated a large amount of power and broke through many restrictions of the guardian system.
But there is one thing she still admits, and that is Gao Jiage's benefits to herself.
Therefore, the Takeda family's expansion to all parts of Shinano still left a dignity for the local prominent families, and this was certainly the case for the Kiso family and the Suwa family.
Although there are also considerations of the cost of governance, Takeda Harunobu's attitude towards traditional samurai families is definitely much softer than Oda Nobunaga's.
Takeda Harunobu chuckled, bowed slightly to Yoshigami, and said.
"What Yutai said is...
The world is the world of Minamoto, and the order of superiority and inferiority is the right way.
Now that the nations are in chaos, only the descendants of the Genji can stand up and bring order to the chaos, so that the prosperity of our descendants can continue."
Looking at Takeda Harunobu who lowered his head respectfully and staring at her swan-like elegant nape, Shiba Yoshigan couldn't help but roll his eyes.
Takeda Harunobu is a bastard.
She avoided Yoshigan's words of respectability. This was because she did not talk about the Takeda family's invasion of Shinano Country and broke through the constraints of the guardian system.
He also seized on the loopholes in Yiyin’s words and counterattacked.
The world is in chaos? The shogunate is still there, Ashikaga Yoshiteru doesn't want to lose face?
As the head of the imperial court, Yoshigan Shiba bluntly said that the world was in chaos, which was a slap in the face of the shogunate and the face of the Ashikaga family.
Anyone can say that in troubled times, only the Ashikaga family want to whitewash peace, otherwise how can they use their fame to command the world and suppress others.
Yiyin expressed his sincerity, so he spoke a little more openly.
Unexpectedly, Takeda's cronies beat snakes with sticks and dragged the Takeda family into invading Shinano country, in order to contribute to the protection of the Genji world.
This was so shameless and made Yiyin instantly black-faced.
Takeda Harunobu covered his mouth and smiled. He took advantage of his words, but he couldn't really piss off Yoshigoshi Shiba, so he said.
"However, what Yutai said makes sense.
Your Highness Murakami and His Highness Ogasawara must be given dignity, what do you think?"
Yoshigan's face looked a little better, but Takeda Harunobu still extended an olive branch and said calmly.
"The Murakami territory can't be returned.
But now that the Takanashi family is gone, someone will need to take care of the vacant territory, right?
The Kawanakajima Plain has been fought over by the Murakami Takanashi family for many years, and now that the Takanashi family is no longer around, I might as well give it to them all in order to find some peace."
Takeda Harunobu sneered again and again.
"The imperial palace treats your two highnesses extremely well."
No wonder Takeda Harunobu was angry, Shiba Yoshigan's appetite was too big.
The situation before Hokushin was that the Murakami family was in the south and the Takanashi family was in the north. The two sides fought fiercely for control of the Kawanakajima Plain.
If the two families hadn't been fighting fiercely, the Takeda family wouldn't have seen the opportunity.
Sanada Yukitaka defrauded Toishijo, and Takeda Harunobu was able to quickly capture the Murakami family. Murakami Yoshikiyo and the Takanashi family were fighting, so they were caught off guard, which was actually the biggest reason.
Now that the Takanashi family is destroyed, Yoshigan Shiba wants to use his old territory to settle the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family, and even gives the Kawanakajima plain to the two families. How can Takeda Harunobu not be angry.
This is equivalent to giving the Northern believers the entire territory of the Takanashi family and Kawanaka Island, with a stone height of no less than 80,000 koku.
The entire Hokushin is only a hundred thousand stone high. If they agree to this, the Takeda family will be working for Murakami Yoshikiyo.
The Murakami family has moved, but its strength has not diminished, but has skyrocketed. Can the Takeda family watch the Murakami family's resurgence and buck the trend and become stronger?
What's more, Takeda Harunobu also did an unethical and terrible thing. She arrested and sold all the samurai families near Yantian City who supported the Murakami family to Kai Country.
The century-old hope of the Murakami family was shattered in one fell swoop, and the local servants who were their basic base were wiped out. Murakami Yoshikiyo hated Takeda Harunobu to death.
If this local powerful faction that is extremely hostile to the Takeda family increases in strength, it will be difficult for Takeda Harunobu to sleep well in the future.
She was categorical.
"The Takeda family will never agree to this, and I ask the emperor not to have any wild ideas."
Shiba Yiyin asked back.
"What do you think?"
"Kawanakajima is not an option. The old territory of the Takanashi family can be negotiated, but it must be divided between the Murakami family and the Ogasawara family."
Shiba Yoshigan laughed angrily, Takeda Harunobu's proposal also poked at the Uesugi family's weakness.
According to her wishes, Zenkoji Temple became the Takeda territory, and the entire Kawanakajima Plain also belonged to the Takeda family, so the Uesugi family's battle was in vain.
With the Kawanakajima Plain, the Takeda family has sufficient logistics. Zenkoji Temple is lost, the Togakushi Passage leads directly to the Myoko Plateau, and the Echigo-Takata Plain is right in front of you.
Only the Murakami and Ogasawara families, the old leaders of the Takanashi family, were only close to Iiyama Castle and could not see the Takeda family moving north.
The two families had old grudges earlier, and Takeda Harunobu started stirring up trouble behind their backs, and he might start a fight himself.
If Yoshigan Shiba agrees to this condition, Uesugi Teruhora can be overthrown by the Echigo samurai family, and the blood shed by the Uesugi army on Kawanakajima will be in vain.