Chapter 503 Daming's population is still a little small, not enough!
The conversation with Zhou Yanru didn't come up with a clear answer. The Zheng family's problems have been rare in history. It really takes a waste of brain cells to sort out the problem. Anyway, it will take at least two months before Omu comes to the capital, and there are many more.
Take the time to think through the problem carefully and come up with a solution acceptable to both parties.
In fact, there is still one negotiation going on. Recently, the Manchu negotiators in Shanhaiguan have started to be active again. The negotiating team stationed in Shanhaiguan has sent several letters to the capital, hoping that the imperial court will come up with a guiding opinion for negotiations.
, they can also speak plainly to others within this framework.
"Let the people in the Attendant's Room send a notice to convene a joint imperial meeting of the Military Command Hall and the Cabinet in the main hall the day after tomorrow to discuss the terms of the peace talks with Jiannu. Otherwise, the few negotiating bachelors will be in a difficult situation." Between the Manchus and the Qing Dynasty.
The bottom line of the negotiation is the most important thing among the big things, and it involves military and political matters. Although Zhu Youjian already has an idea in his mind, it is better to hold a meeting to draw up a formal charter.
After the imperial meeting began, Zhu Youjian did not let everyone start the discussion. Instead, he took the lead and said: "This discussion is mainly about the outline of the peace talks with Jiannu. Let me talk about the bottom line requirements first. Shenyang City must be in
Returning to the imperial rule within this year, whether by military means or negotiation. The two cities of Tieling and Fushun can be negotiated, and it is acceptable to temporarily return to the rule of Jiannu. Another point is the status of Jiannu. They should
With the Ming Dynasty as the country of father and brother, its leader can only be called the king but not the emperor. As for its current leader, the Ming Dynasty can formally issue an edict and canonize him to determine his title. This is the tone I have set for the peace talks and the previous peace treaty.
Since they sent troops to sabotage the peace talks in the first place, and formulated unfair policies to oppress the Han people under their rule, they are all invalid and will be re-negotiated from now on."
Frankly speaking, both sides were involved in sabotaging the previous peace talks. Since the beginning of autumn last year, the Ming Dynasty has been sending troops to the front line. Naturally, everyone knew Sima Zhao’s intention. But when it comes to resuming the peace talks, the Manchus and Qing Dynasties cannot take any advantage.
A moral bargain, even if it seems useless.
"Your Majesty, it might be better to talk about Jianlu's taking the imperial title. I'm afraid Shenyang City will not be given up in vain. Since Shenyang City will not be brought over in the negotiation, why should the imperial court waste any words?" Zhou Yan
After hearing the emperor's bottom line, Ru couldn't help but express his doubts. Even if the Manchus and Qing Dynasties knew that Shenyang City could not be defended, they would not be able to give up such an important place like Shenyang just by talking about it. Since
You have drawn the bottom line like this and send a bunch of people to negotiate for peace? Isn't this a waste of energy!
"Grand Master, most of the time the purpose of negotiations is not to get the desired result on the spot, but to tell them the bottom line in advance and tell them when the Ming Dynasty can truly negotiate peace. Even now, the Liao incident is far from done.
When I understood that, even if the imperial court captured Shenyang, the threat of slave creation still existed. Therefore, I had to draw a line for them in advance, so that after our campaign goal was achieved, the intensity of the war could be reduced as soon as possible. After Shenyang recovered,
The imperial court has no intention of continuing to advance eastward in the short term. If a peace agreement is reached with Jiannu at any time, less energy will be involved in the Liaodong direction."
"Your Majesty, for this purpose, it would be inappropriate to only capture Shenyang City. Fushun and Tieling are Shenyang's barriers. If we don't capture these two important places, Shenyang City will be faced with military attacks at any time, and the imperial court will still be stationed in Liaodong. The army seems to be unable to achieve its purpose!" The person who said this was Huang Degong, and his current strategic overall thinking ability has been cultivated. Tieling and Fushun are Shenyang's barriers, and anyone with a little strategic thinking knows that, so In his opinion, since the Qing Dynasty could not be destroyed in one battle, these two important cities must be recaptured no matter what.
"Hushan, the purpose of seizing important territory is to defend it. Although I said that the intensity of the war will be reduced, I did not say that Liaodong will no longer make progress in the future. From the actual situation, even if Fushun and Tieling are restored, Liaodong's There will be no shortage of garrison troops. In this case, why should we place the frontier of fighting, tug-of-war and confrontation at the very edge of the controllable line? Don't you think it is more conducive for our army to fight with the support of Shenyang City? To the east of Tieling , the mountains are high, the forests are dense, and most of them are wilderness. Now it is difficult for our army to fight in depth. If we use these two places as the front line, our army will have too little room to move forward during the battle!"
In Zhu Youjian's view, barriers such as Fushun and Tieling are useless to the current Ming army. The current Ming army is not just passively beaten as it was in previous years. It defends and counterattacks around the front line of Shenyang. Wouldn't it be better to slowly consume the Qing army's effective strength? Once the front line is pushed forward, there is only defense and no room for counterattack. Fighting east of Tieling, even with about 10,000 troops, will be an unimaginable test for logistics .No matter how great a military advantage you have, if you go deep into battle in a place where the terrain and the people are unfavorable, the probability of defeat is almost nine to one. You can’t take this risk!
Naturally, we cannot give up the territory east of Shenyang, but not now. If we want to enter the northeastern region in a serious way, we may have to accumulate about ten years of civilian power. If we are able to move more than 500,000 Han people to this place now, Zhu Youjian's vision for the Liaodong War will never be as conservative as it is now!
The problem is that we don’t have that condition now. Let alone a population of more than 500,000, it would be difficult to move 100,000 people to the land under the rule. It is already very good to be able to meet the needs of immigrants and develop these sites in Liaodong, which has been restored. !The current situation is really not advisable to take too big a step, otherwise it is easy to get hurt.
When people are used, there will be less regrets. In terms of the territory that can be seriously controlled at the moment, there are actually only a little more than two provinces. Shandong has a larger population, with nearly 10 million people. Beizhili only has 500 people if the capital is not included. It’s just a nod from Duo Wan. It’s just wishful thinking to immigrate from Yunzhong Province or something like that. The most manpower-rich place at the moment is the capital, but immigrating from the capital is probably very difficult, right?
To be honest, Zhu Youjian is now worried about where to find people. He first filled in Ningyuan, Jinzhou, Shenyang, and Liaonan. It sounds like there are many places with many people but little land, but there is a real shortage of people. When I moved eastward, I discovered that it was difficult to find enough people from there. In the initial stage of development, Liaodong had a population gap of one million, and in the future it would be even more than a million if it continued eastward. At this time, Mr. Zhu I even want to sigh, the population of the Ming Dynasty is still a bit small, there is simply not enough! If there are several large provinces with a population of over 100 million like in later generations, is it still a big deal to develop a large Northeast?