Volume 15, Wind and Thunder, Section 6 Collision of Ideas, Clash of Views
Zhang Tianhao did not expect the tone to be so firm and certain, which was somewhat beyond his expectation.
He was still a little unsure of Lu Weimin's true thoughts on this, and frowned slightly: "Weimin, I understand what you mean. The establishment of a society ruled by law is a major policy of our country and will not change. However, this is also a long-term process. We
The country basically went from feudal society to socialist society without experiencing capitalist society, which is the so-called primary stage. In fact, in the entire social system, including our political system, there is still a considerable amount of feudal concept of rule of man.
To solve this problem requires long-term and persistent efforts, it cannot be achieved overnight, and it also requires us to have a long-term and careful plan in promoting the construction of a rule of law society."
Lu Weimin did not say anything. He knew that Zhang Tianhao had more to say, and he also had a hunch that he and Zhang Tianhao might have quite different views on this issue, or even have an unprecedented conflict.
"Our Fengzhou is a backward inland area with a relatively short history of building districts and cities. This means that we are quite backward in building a society governed by the rule of law. This is an objective reality. We certainly hope that we can build a society governed by the rule of law.
Making great strides to catch up and even surpass surrounding areas will indeed help us build a rule of law, fairness and civilized society. However, we must realize that the gap exists objectively, and some distances cannot be solved overnight.
In particular, changes in people's ideological concepts cannot be achieved by one thing or one case. At this point, we must face reality and not act emotionally."
Zhang Tianhao's tone was very calm and gentle, and even had a hint of explanation and persuasion.
Lu Weimin really wanted to accept the other party's suggestions and persuasion, so that he could largely avoid disputes or even conflicts with Zhang Tianhao over such an "insignificant" issue, which would destroy the tacit understanding and balance that the two had finally established over a long period of time. However,
Reason told him that he had endured it for so long. The reason why he did not push forward the litigation of these cases before the land was removed and the city was built was because he wanted to use the new team and new concepts established by the new city and new administrative division adjustment to shape a new one.
image, and establish a model or benchmark for a society governed by the rule of law.
Of course he knows that he can't do it in a short time. He won't even be able to do it for a long time in the future. But so what? If you don't do it, then there will be no progress at all. Even you are unwilling for one reason or another.
If you do it, how can you really do it well? Nowadays, when you build a new city, you can find reasons of one kind or another. Then in the future, you can find a hundred reasons to avoid this problem. Once this kind of inertia is formed, it will become less and less difficult.
Being willing to change and destroy is not what Lu Weimin wants to see.
"Secretary Tianhao, please forgive me for not agreeing with your point of view. I think now is the best time. On the track of legal system construction, our Fengzhou is already slower than other regions. Maybe you may think that we are more mature now."
The important thing is to fight for the economy. I admit that our economic gap is even greater, but I think we need to take a longer-term view. The construction of a local legal environment is indeed not achieved overnight, but requires long-term accumulation and precipitation.
However, if we avoid this problem based on our current financial difficulties or the difficulties faced by urban grassroots construction and construction, then a psychological set and psychological inertia will be formed. In the future, our party committees, governments and leading cadres will subconsciously feel this
We can use non-legal channels to solve such problems, which makes them more accustomed to using their power to destroy the law to solve problems. I think this is precisely the most dangerous. Compared with this, millions or even
Tens of millions of dollars seem to be insignificant. If we can use this to change some of the concepts of our city's cadres and masses, I think the effort multiplied by ten, even if it makes our finances more difficult, I think it is worth it, so I
I feel this is an opportunity, a rare opportunity.”
Zhang Tianhao's face darkened slightly. It had been a long time since he had heard someone so clearly disagree with his views and express them so openly and honestly. Even if there were only two of them now, and even if the other party was Lu Weimin, it still made him slightly uncomfortable.
"Serving the people is not just a matter of funds." Zhang Tianhao picked up the teacup and took a sip. He put down the teacup and lightly wiped it on the teacup with the lid of the teacup. There was a soft "ding" sound, which seemed to indicate something.
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Lu Weimin looked at each other with a calm expression.
"For the people, we need to consider the authority of the first-level party committee and government and the huge impact, or harm, that this kind of thing may bring. Some people say that this may lead to the collapse of the country. I think it is a bit exaggerated, but there is no doubt that it will.
It will bring great trouble and damage to the new Shuangmiao District Committee and District Government. Their authority will be questioned. How can the government carry out its work? How can it make the people trust it?" Zhang Tianhao looked directly at the other party with his eyes as bright as a torch.
Lu Weimin laughed and said, "Secretary Tianhao, it seems I misunderstood. Your concern is not about funding?"
"The funding problem is one aspect. You should know that in addition to the twin temples, there are several similar cases. Most of them are in the original Fengzhou City, but there are also cases in Huaishan, Oyuan and even Guqing. Once a chain reaction is triggered, what will the court do?
To deal with it?" Zhang Tianhao saw Lu Weimin smiling and couldn't help but frown: "As far as I know, the amount of litigation involved in these fragmentary cases is at least more than 10 million."
"Secretary Tianhao, are you really worried about these funding issues?" Lu Weimin tilted his head and asked again.
Zhang Tianhao snorted softly in his nose, "I said, this is one aspect, but I am more worried about the damage to the government's authority. This damage may be fatal to the future work of the first-level government."
"Can a lawsuit damage the authority of the government? Maybe a little bit, but I think it depends on what is going on. Like Shuangmiao, it is obvious that the money is not paid back, and the grassroots government is acting rogue. I think this is exactly the case.
The situation will greatly damage the government's prestige, not the court's judgment. The court will rule in accordance with the law and the government will pay back the money. This will help establish the authority of the law. It can also reflect that our government abides by the law and establishes the law just like other units and individuals.
authoritative."
Lu Weimin did not compromise and still insisted on his opinion.
"Do you really think so? For the people, our country's actual national conditions and the basic quality of its citizens determine our current political form. Our government is still an authoritarian government in the development stage. This is my personal understanding. The authority of the government is at present
It is still very necessary under the current situation. This is the foundation for maintaining the domestic social and political ecological balance. I also understand your thinking. Our country is in a stage of transformation, the transformation of the political economy and even the entire society, but I think this transformation is a gradual one.
process, rather than a leaping and radical transformation. We need time and process to allow our government officials and people to gradually adapt, rather than using this explosive method to establish your so-called legal authority, which will only
Counterproductive, we must know that we are not theorists, but practitioners.”
Zhang Tianhao also knew that it would be as difficult to convince Lu Weimin as Lu Weimin tried to convince himself, but he would not give in on this issue. In his opinion, it was a matter of principle.
Similarly, Lu Weimin also realized this. The fact that Zhang Tianhao dared to say the word "authoritarian government" showed that Zhang Tianhao did not have his own understanding and opinions on this aspect. The fact that he dared to say this word in front of him showed that he
He already has his own views and opinions on these issues in his thinking, and it is not something you can fool people by just saying a few words.
This actually aroused his fighting spirit. This was a collision of ideas, and Zhang Tianhao was obviously a good opponent.
"Secretary Tianhao, I also understand your worries and concerns, but I am worried that your worries and concerns will become an inherent psychological pattern. In fact, I think your current psychology has some inherent, inertial and inert tendencies.
"Yes." Lu Weimin was not polite. Since it was a confrontation of ideas and not specific people and things, it was simple and he could speak freely without any scruples.
"You mentioned that the government's defeat in this kind of economic lawsuit will damage the authority of the government. In my opinion, this is not true. If your government does not pay back the money it owes, does it still demonstrate fairness or justice? No, this can only show that your government is powerful externally and interferes with the internal affairs.
, How can a government that has lost credibility talk about authority? This is often more dangerous than no government! Court judgments are repaid, which embodies the fundamental principle that the law is above all else. The government's compliance with legal judgments is also the implementation of the concept of governing according to law and administering according to law. This
Not only does it not damage the government's image, in my opinion, it even helps to enhance the government's prestige, indicating that the government also operates in strict accordance with the law. Establishing the view that the law is above all else will greatly make all officials and the public aware of this.
This will be of great help to our government's governance and people's compliance with the law in the future."
Lu Weimin's tone was high-pitched, and his eyes were bright. He obviously wanted to have such a debate, and Zhang Tianhao also had a headache.
He didn't want things to turn out this way, but he couldn't avoid it. Lu Weimin's words were not unreasonable, and his views hurt his heart. But as the secretary of the municipal party committee, he needed to consider the problem from a higher perspective. The case of Shuangmiao
It is not an isolated case. If the court holds a trial and decides that the government loses the case and pays, then there will definitely be a domino effect involving multiple lawsuits, not just economic lawsuits, but also administrative lawsuits. Lu Weimin obviously underestimated this shock wave.
At this point, Zhang Tianhao thinks that Lu Weimin is still too young and too idealistic.
I will continue to make up for it. Alas, it is really sad. By the end of the month, there will be more broken things. I have to work hard to make up for it.