Ji Situi said disdainfully: "This is our great cause of the Qing Dynasty, not the prosperity of the Ming Dynasty."
"Although I don't want to get involved in some meaningless disputes, I must say that this is a fact. In a society that can produce the buds of capitalism, business activities will inevitably be more active, and this reflects higher per capita purchasing power and living standards." Immediately.
Youmingfen supports the views of the Minister of Chemical Industry.
"Another factor is that in the late Qing Dynasty, gold prices were extremely heavy, while in the Ming Dynasty there were almost no customs duties. Therefore, the flow of goods in the late Qing Dynasty was actually very poor, and everyone tended to localized natural economic production." Ji Situi continued.
Du Wen spoke eloquently: "The result of the increased commercialization rate in the late Ming Dynasty was increased exploitation and social unrest, which was also the case in the old China for a hundred years. In addition, the low commercialization rate in the Qing Dynasty and the suppression of the power of the landlords and gentry led to an increase in population and
It is related to the insufficient carrying capacity of urban population under the old traffic environment."
"Don't talk too far." Ma Qianzhu stopped Du Wen from continuing to talk, and Du Wen obeyed and shut up.
"I think the so-called germination of capitalism in the Ming Dynasty is exaggerated. The consumption level of ordinary people has been seen by everyone from the dth to the present. How much purchasing power do you think such a society has?"
"Your metaphor is not very good. The consumption level of Lingao in the 21st century is not high either."
"Even in Lingao in the 21st century, it is still a commercial society, not a natural economic society. The difference is huge."
"It makes no sense to take Lingao, no matter where in time and space, as an example," Wen Desi said, "just like those foreign capitalists who expected that in the early days of reform and opening up in China, 'Every Chinese can buy the same thing from me' and they will make a fortune.
Same. Ninety percent of Chinese people still won’t buy his stuff. Since ancient times, consumption power has only been concentrated in big cities. Our status is actually the same as these capitalists. The market seems vast, but we only
We can choose those regions where we can sell our products. Guangdong, Jiangnan, and the capital are the sales markets for our products - other places will be automatically ignored. The people in the Central Plains and northwest are not even able to be peace dogs and will not come to consume our products.
product."
Luo Duo said: "These places will be filtered automatically. Let's just talk about the possible goals mentioned by Mr. Wen! Without Lijin, will the circulation of goods be good? The fundamental problem is that people have no money, what do they use for consumption? This is not the same as consumption.
It doesn’t matter if you are used to it. If you don’t have money, you will naturally have to save. The reason why you don’t consume is still one word: poor!”
"I don't think so: just look at the local landowners and you will know. No matter how wealthy you are, you can actually eat fine grains and meat for every meal. But what about your consumption level? Most landowners often eat sweet potato porridge. Meat is also a new year.
Only eat it during the holidays.”
Du Wen said: "Under the conditions of clan small-scale peasant economy, in many cases labor value plus diligence and frugality are the only way to accumulate original capital. The habit of agricultural labor makes people avoid opportunistic values and risk values."
Yu Eshui nodded and said: "So, taking the domestic sales route must start with changing consumption habits, but how to achieve it specifically?"
"Cultivation of the middle class. The purchasing power of the people at the bottom is very limited."
"It's too simple, a typical middle-class omnipotence theory." Du Wen sneered at such a lack of depth speech, "In my opinion, to change this habit, we must at least achieve the following points: First, change the natural economic growth in ancient China
The first is to change the value of agricultural liberal capitalism; the second is to create a "middle class"; the third is to improve the overall per capita economic level. The third point is that in ancient times or before the second industrial revolution, it was a too slow process. The time traveler should not expect the national average per capita in his lifetime.
The economic level has improved several times. The second point to note is that it is not the capitalist or landlord class, but it is still very difficult to overcome the natural laws of social Darwinism and create a jujube society. Moreover, in ancient times, the per capita economic level was limited and it was impossible to improve very quickly.
Even if it is fast, the date-core society will still have a destructive effect on social stability. In short: the natural economic society is a fairly stable system, and it is impossible to change it without paying great social turmoil and costs."
"My head is bound to hurt when I hear Queen's Thoughts. But despite those gorgeous words, I still think you are right." He Ying said.
Ma Qianzhu said: "Don't make personal attacks. If there are arguments to discuss, let's talk around the issues."
"I also agree with Luo Duo. We still need to look at consumption habits from an economic perspective." Wu Nanhai said, "When you have money, you will naturally consume, but you also have to look for consumption habits. I am willing to wait half an hour more every day, just to
That one-dollar bus ticket? Such parents are often willing to spend thousands of dollars to sign up their children for a so-called art class."
"Otherwise, otherwise. Economic conditions are only one factor. For example, everyone thinks that selling soap is the way to go. In fact, whether it is for home use or for helpers, the people who use soap are basically the working people of the lower class. And this thrifty habit often does not come from a certain person.
It is a sense of responsibility, but it is purely a result of habit - even if you are a servant in a foreigner's house, you will naturally make unnecessary savings for the master."
"Our soap is considered a first-class luxury product. It is specially designed for ladies and famous prostitutes. The Eight Beauties of Qinhuai should have become famous by now. Wouldn't it be a living advertisement for them to try it?"
"How much can it be sold for?!"
"In fact, the demand for soap should be huge. Most service industries have considerable demand. Whether it is brothels, restaurants, medicine halls, bathhouses, theaters, art gardens, mines, cloth shops, etc., these are all
The market is already huge, even if there is no soap, using soap powder is still a concept. Moreover, the cost of soap is not high, and the capital of middle-class households is enough. Is it true that only young ladies and wives have the demand? There are many practical people."
He Ying said: "Although the words are good, but there is a demand, it does not mean that your product can meet this demand. There is no difference if there is no soap. In addition, the function of soap does not disappear because it does not exist, it just uses other methods.
It’s just a substitute. Like pig’s pancreas, soap locust, especially the soap locust is almost free. No matter how cheap the soap is, how can it be compared with the free soap locust picked from the tree?”
"In the final analysis, it is still a word 'poor'! The reason why such consumption habits are formed is not without reason." Wang Luobin said, "The materials mentioned by Yu Eshui, time, physical strength, comfort and convenience are all 'free'
, as long as you can save even a copper plate, you can squander these 'free' elements. And until now, some elderly people's consumption concept is to only look at the price but not the quality. Therefore, I think that the business route depends on advancement rather than thinking about what to do.
To open up the market for future products, it is better to use technological advantages to reduce costs and produce products that were popular at the time, and earn profits by relying on price advantages.”
"For example, if there is a way to make better paper at less cost, this is a huge business opportunity. Or if there is a better way to make better and more fuel-efficient lamps, this is also a huge business opportunity. Even
It is a good idea to make porcelain objects more functional and artistic. This is also a huge business opportunity. There are new iron smelting processes, improved iron tools, improved iron quality and high prices. Isn’t this a business opportunity? Even if it is a luxury grade,
As long as you grasp the creativity, the profits from the high-end market can also lead to good business opportunities."
No matter how self-sufficient a natural economic society is, it still needs to import goods. It’s not that people don’t consume, but there are no better products for them to consume. The rising import numbers after the five-port trade in the late Qing Dynasty can illustrate this point. Kerosene,
Why matches can occupy the Chinese market? Chinese people did not suddenly become rich in the decades of the late Qing Dynasty. It is just that kerosene matches are much easier to use than previous products, but the cost of use has not increased much.
In the real world, China's domestic small-scale peasant economy and natural economy are broken down like this. There are not many new concepts, but the dumping of cheaper and slightly easier-to-use foreign goods has broken the original small-scale economic system.
"In this way, we actually don't need too many fancy foreign trade products."
"Well, in my opinion, once the three acids and two bases are put into production, our most advantageous mass product will be paper."
The consumption of paper is very huge, and there are many levels of consumption. From writing imperial edicts to wiping buttocks, all kinds of paper are inseparable. With the chemical pulping technology mastered by time travellers, in this time and space, it is enough to make paper all over the country.
The workshops are all closed down - provided that the business network of the time traveler can reach the whole country.
"Sewing needles and matches are also acceptable. Let's just focus on the sales of these three products." Ma Qianxu said, "Currently, glass products, the mainstay of trade, can only be regarded as luxury goods."
"Luxury goods should also be seen in two." Wen Desi said, "Glass mirrors are now luxury goods. According to the market in Guangzhou, oval mirrors are sold for hundreds of taels. Only those rich people can afford such a price.
Affordable - Don't be fooled by the shipment volume. Guangzhou was the most prosperous city in South China at that time, and there were just more wealthy people. We need to take a broader view of the market. Let those middle-class families also be able to afford it.
Affordable.”
"Reducing the price?"
"It's not just about cutting prices. It's about differentiating product grades." Wen Desi has been thinking about this issue for a long time. A small amount of hugely profitable luxury goods cannot be compared with a massive amount of mass consumer goods in terms of total profit level. Just look at
If you look at the Fortune 500 companies in the 20th century, you will know that the companies that occupy the top positions in terms of company size, profit and sales figures are basically those companies that provide general consumer goods.
"Mirrors are not technically difficult. After we master the glass manufacturing technology, mass production of glass mirrors is just a matter of time and raw material supply." Wen Desi said, "Take this opportunity to develop a complete mirror product series. From sales
We produce everything from large, full-length glass mirrors for rich people to small rough-edged mirrors that ordinary people can afford."