This way of saying Wang Hengyue sounded new, but when I thought about it again, it turned out to be true.
Ma Nan's behavior is quite cunning and even opportunistic, but this does not affect his opinion of him. Now, in addition to being a "good official", this person can also be called a "capable official".
"Bring out your good tea." Wang Hengyue said with a straight face: "I am here, are you still trying to fool me with this?"
"It's Nan who quickly responded.
His wife-in-law quickly bought some good tea.
Wang Hengyue drank it and put down the tea bowl: "Well, this tea is interesting. Mananna, you are doing this to enrich the people. I don't blame you. On the contrary, I want to praise you. But I thought of a question. You are like this
All the officials can fool me, how many officials do you think are trying their best to deceive the superiors?"
"A lot." Ma Nan said honestly: "I'm afraid half of the ten local officials violate the orders from above. If you can implement half of the policies and orders from above, you are considered a very good official.
.As for corruption, as long as you don’t make things too big and don’t make things too extreme, generally the higher authorities won’t be able to detect it…
"Yes, we can't find it." Wang Hengyue said with a solemn expression: "For me, there are actually only a few people I can manage. Chiefs of staff, division commanders, provincial governors, civil servants up to the level of Daoyin
, I can only remember half of the names. As for the governors, I don’t recognize nine out of ten. I have a blind eye on who is a good official and who is a corrupt official. I can only listen to other people’s reports until I really find out the problem.
By the time, it will be too late..."
Ma Nan interfaced and said: "This has always been the case in our country. The emperor only asked the prime minister, ministers of various ministries, who were the prefects and counties below, and what they had done. How did the emperor know? By chance, he knew that officials in a certain place were corrupt, and the people were extremely angry. How many people were arrested?
If you do a few, you will become a wise king.
The people are happy, but how many corrupt officials can an emperor catch? Every dynasty and every generation has to deal with several major cases, but as soon as the limelight passes, corrupt officials spring up again like bamboo shoots after a rain..."
Wang Hengyue's brows furrowed tighter and tighter. What Ma Nan said now was exactly the same as what he had thought before. It was more urgent to rectify official problems and resolve corruption as his territory expanded.
It is actually not difficult to lead an army to conquer a place, but how to solve the problems that arise after the conquest is the most difficult.
Many commanders like myself can defeat the enemy's thousands of troops, but they cannot defeat corrupt officials.
Countless dynasties were hollowed out little by little by these corrupt officials, and finally collapsed...
"Actually, every previous dynasty had a supervisory system for officials." Ma Nan was so courageous that he was able to speak eloquently in front of the southwest patrol envoy: "Our country is the first in the world to establish a supervisory system and supervisory institutions.
Country. Since the Qin and Han Dynasties, China has had a fairly complete supervisory system and supervisory agencies, with distinctive characteristics. First, it is directly under the emperor. Officials in the supervisory department are directly responsible to the emperor, and they are very independent. Second, they are directly under the emperor.
He has a high status. The highest censor in the country in the Han Dynasty, the Yushi Dafu, also served as the deputy prime minister. Together with the prime minister,
The Taiwei are collectively called the Three Dukes, and they can sit down and discuss matters in front of the emperor.
In the Yuan Dynasty, the imperial censors were held by crown princes or princes, and the official rank was the first rank. The third one was the small official with great power. In ancient times, the main force that really performed the supervisory tasks was the supervisory censor. The supervisory censor was at a very low level, only the seventh rank. But in all dynasties,
Supervisory censors in the past dynasties can supervise anyone except the emperor, including supervisory officials in central departments. Fourth, they have more power and less responsibility. In order to allow supervisors to supervise with confidence, supervisory officials are given privileges, and can even investigate "on hearsay"
No guilt will be added without evidence..."
After looking at the inspection envoy, Wang Hengyue listened very carefully, and Ma Nan continued: "But this kind of supervision system is too limited. The imperial supervision is an obvious problem, which is the root of all ills.
Both the supervisory system and supervisory officials are only responsible to the emperor alone, which requires the emperor himself to be a responsible person. But in fact, some emperors were incompetent, took the lead in destroying the system, and even changed the supervisory system at will: although other emperors attached great importance to counter-insurgency
Corruption is very powerful, and the punishment measures are very severe, but the design of the entire system is unreasonable, and even good people are forced to become criminals. As a result, corruption continues, and the ban is repeated. Zhu Yuanzhang and Yongzheng are the best examples. Secondly, supervision is unprofessional.
Supervisory officials have the right to report, but they do not necessarily have the right to investigate cases. Many cases are reduced to trivial matters during the investigation process, which weakens the deterrent effect of supervision. Once again, the problem of supervision of supervisory officials has not been effectively solved. Some supervisory officials
What started as a clean and honest system, but due to the lack of strong supervision and restrictions, began to deteriorate over time, colluding with corrupt local officials and colluding with each other, causing supervision to become another kind of corruption..."
Wang Hengyue knew these truths very well, but just saying them from the mouth of an official of this era made Wang Hengyue even more curious about Ma Nan.
Wang Hengyue nodded slightly: "In the fight against corruption, the more we fight against corruption, the more corrupt we become. Ma Nan, your analysis is very good and thorough. You can see through all these problems. It is not simple, not simple!"
Ma Nan interfaced and said: "Does the patrolling envoy know that there is a country called Sweden?"
Wang Hengyue laughed dumbly. He didn't know Sweden? But he didn't show it. He just said lightly: "Tell me, how is Sweden?"
"Sweden is known as the country with the most honest officials in the world. There is a certain reason for this." Manan did not show off at all, but said seriously: "Sweden is the first country in the world to implement the official property registration system.
As early as hundreds of years ago, Swedish citizens gained the right to check the property and tax status of all officials. Any citizen has the right to check the prime minister's property and tax list. This system has continued for nearly two hundred years. Sweden
It stipulates that all citizens and groups, including public officials, must disclose their property and income details to the tax department and accept inquiries from everyone. I think this may be the main reason why Sweden is clean."
Wang Hengyue suddenly asked: "Have you ever been to Sweden?"
"No, I just like to study and asked my friends to bring a lot of books on this subject from overseas, so I know a little bit about this subject"!